Contributed by grey on from the more interviews dept.
Newsforge has published new interview with Theo de Raadt as well as NetBSD's Christos Zoulas. The author Jem Matzan asks similar questions to those recently asked in interview with Linus Torvalds with relation to his perspective on BSD variants.
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By Anonymous Coward (71.0.126.14) on
The guy's just a narcissistic ass. Ignore him.
Or better, maybe Henning will present some kind of work personally and make tedu look like an even bigger ass.
Now, just watch how fast your post (and this one) get modded down while his goes up, despite his uncalled for slight towards a fellow contributor, and your common sense reponse to such snobbery. Welcome to Undeadly, where contibutor trolling is sacred, and casual exchange is taboo.
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By Brad (204.101.180.70) brad at comstyle dot com on
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By Brad (216.138.195.228) brad at comstyle dot com on
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By Anonymous Coward (71.0.126.14) on
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By Anonymous Coward (12.33.122.68) on
you are not to police his behaviour. if you do not like
it then you are free to go elsewhere.
By Anonymous Coward (207.232.8.4) on
tedu is an unoriginal programmer who can not come up with his own ideas. people here give him way too much credit for work that is researched and done in other projects - either for linux or other bsd variants - which is sad.
just my 2 cents. :)
By henning (80.86.183.129) on
I don't know where it comes from, I never said that I read linux code to do our SMP stuff, in fact I have not really been involved in our SMP stuff AT ALL.
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By Anonymous Coward (68.104.57.241) on
from:
"And as a matter of fact I had a conversation with Henning Brauer who explained how he got the OpenBSD SMP code working a lot better by learning from Linux."
to:
"It was a story about L2 or L1 caching and the way memory was handled while doing SMP. You told me you read the Linux kernel code and learned a lot from it. "
Big difference between an individual developer not personally involved in SMP work learning about it from Linux code to improving the project's SMP code from Linux code.
By henning (80.86.183.227) on
I for sure never said that I read linux SMP code. I don't know what you got wrong, I never even remotely said anything in that regard.
By almeida (66.31.180.15) on
The situation is getting worse because all open source products (with the exception of OpenBSD) tolerate the status quo of supporting products that provide no documentation, using vendor-provided -- sometimes binary-only -- drivers. I don't think that OpenBSD's abrasive campaign is the way to go, although it appears to be producing results. I believe that the hardware vendors can be convinced that it is advantageous to them to publish proper documentation, but all open source products need to work together for that to work. If a vendor cannot be convinced, we need to vote with our feet and exclude support from our products.
If I remember correctly, Theo asked nicely for a long time before posting contact information and asking the users get involved. What right does this guy have to criticize Theo if no one from the other projects is going to step up and take a unified stand? Everybody likes the results that OpenBSD gets by holding to its principles, but no one is willing to stand with them when it counts. If vendors aren't cooperating and the other projects are letting them get away with it, it's kind of hard for Theo to get results without being a little abrasive.
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By Todd T. Fries (66.210.106.26) todd@fries.net on http://FreeDaemonConsulting.com
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By Nick Holland (63.166.204.168) nick@holland-consulting.net on
I asked nice.
Lots of other people asked nice.
Long ago, I tried to shake docs out of TI for their then-popular wireless products. I asked nice. I got a call from a non-decision maker, who listened, sympathized, agreed, and said they'd run it up the tree and see if it could happen. And then, things went dead. The last I heard from them, was their automated response, asking if if I was satisfied with my experience communicating with TI. I wasn't.
Guess how many TI products I have bought since?
Come to think of it, haven't heard much from TI in the wireless business lately. :)
My experience with TI mirrors what Theo reports from other vendors.
We don't ask nice in public. By definition, that's not asking nice. If I wish you to change your behavior, I don't itemize your rudeness on in a full-page newspaper ad. That's embarassing, rude, and in general, not nice on my part. No, I'd contact you privately, quietly, and ask for a change. If you ignore me, reject me, or otherwise don't do what I wish, then I have to consider escalation.
*YOU* don't see the early stuff.
You only see the call to action, after the early, nice stuff falls flat. That's the nature of the process.
Of course, people then say we aren't nice, because we escalated, and if we had just "talked nicely", it would have been so much better. 'Cept we did, and it wasn't.
Oh, but they happily use the technology we do manage to free up...
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By Matt (69.60.232.221) on
Well, I'd say that Mac OS X is clearly the M$ of the unix world, (focused on money above ethics --see Konfabulator theft and current bankruptcy, idiot-proof GUI, loves closed source, expensive, overhyped and promoted, astrotufing, and especially considering Apple's partnership with M$ in attacking open-source in Europe via lobbying for stronger patent laws), but yeah, Linux is definitely close behind M$ in "quality" (or lack thereof).
In short: Apple has the M$ EVIL, Linux has the M$ QUALITY.
Hmmm... I smell a cool t-shirt quote.
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By Garton Lics (68.121.20.110) garton.lics@gmail.com on
Here's the Wikipedia article.
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By Anonymous Coward (207.171.180.101) on
Ugh. What a load of short-sighted crap. I wonder how hard it would be to internationalize a 'worse is better' application? What about supporting it years down the road?
Seems to me 'worse is better' is what Microsoft uses to develop its software.
By Mike S (130.49.131.29) on
Every time I read an article on NewsForge, I think I associate it with SourceForge, and think "Oh, this sounds interesting."
When I leave NewsForge, I usually think, "NewsForge is the Fox News of small-time opensource-related web journalism."
"Someone on Slashdot said that the BSDs are still considered by some to be more technically correct than the Linux kernel. Linus Torvalds has said in the past that it's not all about technology. Do you think that Linus will ever awaken from his persistant vegitative state?"
I mean, I respect the pluggy NewsForge journalists, but I wonder if they get their background information from flamewars on slashdot and other less reputable sources.
I'm not doing it, and they are, so I don't want to be too harsh, but I can't take that stuff seriously.
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By Anonymous Coward (12.33.122.68) on
it's full of inconsistencies and lacks any kind of direction.
By Anonymous Coward (216.220.116.154) on
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13679423
Anonymous posts are accepted there as well.