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Contributed by dhartmei on from the stupidity-wins-again dept.
Mike Baehr posted more details on misc@. I'm sorry to hear this.
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Copyright © - Daniel Hartmeier. All rights reserved. Articles and comments are copyright their respective authors, submission implies license to publish on this web site. Contents of the archive prior to as well as images and HTML templates were copied from the fabulous original deadly.org with Jose's and Jim's kind permission. This journal runs as CGI with httpd(8) on OpenBSD, the source code is BSD licensed. undeadly \Un*dead"ly\, a. Not subject to death; immortal. [Obs.]
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By James Carter (66.218.244.40) somedude@somenet.NET on http://www.opentorrent.org
Just looking at the glass as half-full for a change. ;-)
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By Mike Baehr (17.232.35.181) on http://metawire.org
We set it up that way because people on the internet deserve to have a service around that gives them the freedom to do what they want. OpenBSD gave us the tools necessary to offer those freedoms while still remaining secure and operational.
We didn't get burned by someone compromising our machine; we got burned by a raw flood of packets from some disgruntled teenager (we'll probably never know for sure who, or more importantly, why).
In any case, we'll be back. I'm already engaged in negotiations with certain folks to have our server operational in a new location. It could happen today, it could happen in a few weeks, a few months. Who knows.
We're strapped for cash, but that's always the case.
We don't give up. We love what we do and we're going to keep on doing it, Cthulhu willing.
Cheers,-- Mike (tehdely)
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By Anonymous Coward (203.10.110.131) on
Right and what are you supposed to do about the more effective and favorite for this type of thing, UDP?
You have control upstream? Great. And at what point upstream do you no longer have any control? ; )
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By Anonymous Coward (69.197.92.181) on
If you are operating a service like this, you should be clear with your host upfront that this could be an issue, and find a host willing to help block the attacks for you, instead of just cancelling your service.
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By zerash (24.73.230.118) zerash@metawire.org on http://www.metawire.org/~zerash/
By RC (4.11.46.189) on
No doubt it's a cheaper and easier solution to disconnect the non-paying customer.
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By Daniel Martini (212.184.120.194) on
Problem is:
when you get the chance to filter it at your Network boundary, it has _already_ gone through the wires to you, and it _already_ has consumed your bandwidth. So you call your upstream provider to block this or that type of traffic. Then it will not reach you, but the traffic will _already_ have gone through the wires to your upstream provider, and it _already_ has consumed his bandwidth. So your upstream provider calls his upstream provider....
hope you get the point.
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By Enachioaie Alexandru (193.231.30.200) alexandru.e@gmail.com on http://www.rs256.net
Again, as the temp page says, the world if filled with morons and worse over ignorant people. That has been a fact long before since DARPA ever came into existence and this whole new world appeared.
However sad this event may have been to us, we have been aware that providing unrestricted IRC access might eventually bring upon us the wrath of IRC wars. Now, I am _not_ saying that's where it came from, because we will issue a small "press release" if you will when the incident has been dealt with. Rest assured this will not go without consequences and investigation.
Also, fear not, for the legend has not fallen. This is only one little impediment. We have had hard times before and we have gotten through, and the main reason for that is that we are an united team, we support eachother's actions and above all we show respect to all our users as well as dedication to the project. We are currently dealing on a new co-lo, which will be setup in a week and a half max, so we will be back kicking more than ever. There will be an administrative meeting this week in order to discuss any changes in policy and/or measures that need to be taken.
Again, everyone will be informed at the proper time.
Once more, thank you for supporting us, and we hope we will be as appreciated in the future to come.
Alex, aka riddler, Metawire.org Sr Administrator
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By Enachioaie Alexandru (82.77.29.61) alexandru.e@gmail.com on
By Not a coward! (66.110.114.5) on
Trying 66.194.41.10...
Connected to metawire.org.
Escape character is '^]'.
SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.5p1
Maybe Linux? FreeBSD?
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By aanriot (194.199.224.49) aanriot@atlantilde.com on
By Enachioaie Alexandru (193.231.30.200) alexandru.e@gmail.com on
By Anonymous Coward (62.177.197.3) on
That's hilarious! Someone set us up the bomb!
Good thing the poster isn't one of those stupidity people, those are others.
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By Ivo Jongejan (83.160.164.91) admin@jungleman.info on http://www.jungleman.info
This f..... is just ruining it for everyone, probably being proud of himself in the process. If the f..... is ever found... Good luck Metawire, in remaining a free and outstanding service!
-Jungleman
By XianN (212.160.20.160) xiann[at]o2.pl on
Greets for metawires admins and users. You are greet guys. And metawire is greet server too. Ok, i must go to school so i dont say anything else. But what can i say more? ;-)
PS: Sorry for my english. You know... This is not my national language - Im from Poland. But i hope you can understand what i writed and that is all what is importand for me:)))
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By wd0 (200.247.170.4) wd0@openvms.com on www.openvms.com
By blister (68.47.101.237) blister@gmail.com on
When zerash and I created metawire, it had been some time since I'd talked to him, our last project (brained) long since faded away. I was going to school in Florida, and just happened by chance to come across one of his websites. I posted a comment, and one thing led to another, and for the next month, him and I raced against the clock to release a secure shell provider the likes of which had never been seen. We didn't think we could ever be perfect, and we didn't think we would ever be 100% safe against every attack that ever came against us, but we hoped that through education and OpenBSD advocacy, we could prevent a large portion of the problems that could be coming our way.
We did this entirely as a labor of love for our community and for people who don't have access to a completely open BSD shell. And, for the most part, it has been a totally excellent success. It's a shame that we've been DoS'ed, but those are the breaks. We'll recover and move on.
And even if we get knocked down again, and don't recover, someone, somewhere will be inspired by our tale, and create a system to withstand all the problems we've been unable to avoid. The dream will live on.
It's not about me, it's not about zerash. It's certainly not about any one person. It's about an ideal. The belief that a computer isn't just a tool. The idea that the internet can host communities that don't have a huge signal to noise ratio as is evidenced in other communities *cough*kuro5hin*cough*. The idea that not everything needs to cost money to be quality.
I've read a lot of the comments here and have actually been offended personally by quite a few of them. For me, zerash, and a few of the other admins (riddler, tehdely, jordan, optix) who have spent countless hours dealing with issues that affect our users, to then be *trolled*, so to speak, by users that we've either had to ignore, or remove, for trying to abuse whatever good graces we've given them, is quite sad.
Stuff that you don't see behind the scenes include the crapflood of duplicate signups, the abuse of storage limits by users trying to create hundreds of accounts, people trying to use our system to evade IRC bans, using our systems to send SPAM. Things that we deal with, so that our other users don't have to. It's the old motto of, "Don't shit where you eat."
To my other admins, thanks for sticking around and dealing with the crap. I know, and understand, why we do this.
To everyone else, if you like our service, use it. If not, go elsewhere?
To my mom: HI IM TEH FAMOUS! LOLOMG!~
(just kidding)
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By optix (81.242.201.153) awptickes@mac.com on metawire.org
In addition i'd like to state that countless people have used, and enjoyed our service, but also there is always that handfull of individuals who sincerly beleive that they can do no wrong, and their actions are not in any way tracable to them. They get caught.
But nothing makes me feel better than making a genuine difference in the why someone goes about their life, metawire makes this difference. This is why we are here, we are here for the users.
We spread the spirit.
Mad love to all.
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By Alantai Firestar (212.248.245.241) Postmaster@firestar.tk on
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By sbr (66.11.172.61) sbr@gnook.org on http://gnook.org/~sbr/
By asid (104.219.21.94) ia2k@msn.com on
> Why did we create Metawire? Was it to gain fame and fortune for myself and Zerash? Hrrm, I wish. I'd certainly like some fame and fortune.
>
> When zerash and I created metawire, it had been some time since I'd talked to him, our last project (brained) long since faded away. I was going to school in Florida, and just happened by chance to come across one of his websites. I posted a comment, and one thing led to another, and for the next month, him and I raced against the clock to release a secure shell provider the likes of which had never been seen. We didn't think we could ever be perfect, and we didn't think we would ever be 100% safe against every attack that ever came against us, but we hoped that through education and OpenBSD advocacy, we could prevent a large portion of the problems that could be coming our way.
>
> We did this entirely as a labor of love for our community and for people who don't have access to a completely open BSD shell. And, for the most part, it has been a totally excellent success. It's a shame that we've been DoS'ed, but those are the breaks. We'll recover and move on.
>
> And even if we get knocked down again, and don't recover, someone, somewhere will be inspired by our tale, and create a system to withstand all the problems we've been unable to avoid. The dream will live on.
>
> It's not about me, it's not about zerash. It's certainly not about any one person. It's about an ideal. The belief that a computer isn't just a tool. The idea that the internet can host communities that don't have a huge signal to noise ratio as is evidenced in other communities *cough*kuro5hin*cough*. The idea that not everything needs to cost money to be quality.
>
> I've read a lot of the comments here and have actually been offended personally by quite a few of them. For me, zerash, and a few of the other admins (riddler, tehdely, jordan, optix) who have spent countless hours dealing with issues that affect our users, to then be *trolled*, so to speak, by users that we've either had to ignore, or remove, for trying to abuse whatever good graces we've given them, is quite sad.
>
> Stuff that you don't see behind the scenes include the crapflood of duplicate signups, the abuse of storage limits by users trying to create hundreds of accounts, people trying to use our system to evade IRC bans, using our systems to send SPAM. Things that we deal with, so that our other users don't have to. It's the old motto of, "Don't shit where you eat."
>
> To my other admins, thanks for sticking around and dealing with the crap. I know, and understand, why we do this.
>
> To everyone else, if you like our service, use it. If not, go elsewhere?
>
> To my mom: HI IM TEH FAMOUS! LOLOMG!~
> (just kidding)