OpenBSD Journal

Call for Donations - Sun Blade 1000/2000 for isp(4) development

Contributed by johan on from the don't-let-the-sun-go-down-on-me dept.

Theo de Raadt (deraadt@) writes to misc asking for donations of a Sun Blade 1000 or 2000 in the Toronto area to be donated to Ken Westerback (krw@).

This request is made in part because there has been reports of some SUN machines having versions of the isp(4) scsi controllers in them that is not yet supported. Ken Westerback (krw@) has offered to have a look at this but would need a SUN machine for this purpose.

Theo writes...

If anyone has a Sun Blade 1000/2000 type machine available for krw@openbsd.org in Toronto, please let him know. If he gets multiple offers he can select which one to take. He's offered to take a look at the isp(4) driver issues some people are seeing... Thanks guys.

(Comments are closed)


Comments
  1. By Anonymous Coward (85.214.125.252) on

    Did you asked SUN?
    If they claim to support "Open Source" I am sure they can spend "one" mashine for a project.

    Comments
    1. By Anonymous Coward (213.97.233.52) on

      > Did you asked SUN?
      > If they claim to support "Open Source" I am sure they can spend "one" mashine for a project.

      Sure that would be great, but I don't think Sun would endorse any EOL-product support effort. No money back is nonsense politics for them! :/

      Comments
      1. By Anonymous Coward (124.217.247.103) on

        > > Did you asked SUN?
        > > If they claim to support "Open Source" I am sure they can spend "one" mashine for a project.
        >
        > Sure that would be great, but I don't think Sun would endorse any EOL-product support effort. No money back is nonsense politics for them! :/

        OpenBSD always was good if it deals to make the public aware of such issues (aka "blame" the vendors for not supporting the project with something wich cost nothing (like a single sparc station)).

        But it is easier to ask for donations. I angree.
        I would like to read the mails that OpenBSD askes the vendors and posts the mails later in a storry to make users aware of this.

        Why should I buy a sparc? x86 is leading (marketshare and co..)...
        But if I would be aware of such ignoring point of view, from SUNs point of view, I could consider to not buy SPARC and SPARC finaly dies some day.

        As long as OpenBSD "just runs" on it and it looks like SUN did a shitload to make that happen it wont help the project.

        You can always ask for donations and I am the last who would deny this right. But if you got "bad" replies by the vendor you would have a far stronger argument.

        + YOu could public this on a website (wich gets indexed by google.. and read by many.. except of those visiting this website).

        Why not writing down all critism to a website and call it f.e. "Bad vendor experience" and link it to the mainpage?

        It would just include facts. Things wich get not done or prevented because of.. facts.. and then you simply post the mails there.

        That's how I may would do it. It would raise the pressure to vendors supporting what "I WANT" (as potential customer).
        And a single Workstation donated to OpenBSD wont bring SUN in financial trouble. Even Apple donated a PPC to Linus.. so why shouldn't such things happen related to OpenBSD as well if there's an argument wich leads to a reconsideration of a f.e. company policy?

        Comments
        1. By Brad (2001:470:8802:3:216:41ff:fe17:6933) brad at comstyle dot com on

          > > > Did you asked SUN?
          > > > If they claim to support "Open Source" I am sure they can spend "one" mashine for a project.
          > >
          > > Sure that would be great, but I don't think Sun would endorse any EOL-product support effort. No money back is nonsense politics for them! :/
          >
          > OpenBSD always was good if it deals to make the public aware of such issues (aka "blame" the vendors for not supporting the project with something wich cost nothing (like a single sparc station)).
          >
          > But it is easier to ask for donations. I angree.
          > I would like to read the mails that OpenBSD askes the vendors and posts the mails later in a storry to make users aware of this.

          blah blah blah wah wah wah. Anonymous morons as usual.

          Comments
          1. By sthen (2a01:348:108:155:20a:e4ff:fe2d:99ee) on

            > blah blah blah wah wah wah. Anonymous morons as usual.

            Always the same writing style, and these days the post always comes from a TOR exit node (rather than hansenet like they used to). Ho hum.

          2. By Anonymous Coward (81.30.249.67) on

            > blah blah blah wah wah wah. Anonymous morons as usual.

            You're talking about yourself ofcourse.... :-)

            Because Tue Apr 15 16:18:04 2008 (GMT) has true.OpenBSD has a power to do it so (fight this way against "not so cooperative" companies).It's the best way how someone can change someone's meaning.

            Comments
            1. By Anonymous Coward (216.224.124.124) on

              > > blah blah blah wah wah wah. Anonymous morons as usual.
              >
              > You're talking about yourself ofcourse.... :-)
              >
              > Because Tue Apr 15 16:18:04 2008 (GMT) has true.OpenBSD has a power to do it so (fight this way against "not so cooperative" companies).It's the best way how someone can change someone's meaning.

              If you don't know about the reasons you might consider to not post dear IPv6 user....

              And you scare me realy that much. I even got a personal body-guard and a M16 to protect me from you in case YOU crack TOR....

              Realy dude.. calm down. Your argument just made no sense 'course u know nothing about the reasons.

              And Brad, you're an idiot not being able to answer even the most simple question. Did the project asked the vendor to support it or be helpfull?
              Yes/No? If Yes -> What was the response?

              That's all I wanted to know but it easier to ask for donations of course.

              I mean I share your point of view! I realy do! If you would ask in that way I propably would not consider to support you as well if I would own such a big company or familiar things.

              That must be your masterplan for the big OpenBSD-sympathy offensiv in 2008...

        2. By Anonymous Coward (128.171.90.200) on

          > Why should I buy a sparc? x86 is leading (marketshare and co..)...

          Let me guess, you only run Windows and only eat at McDonald's

          Comments
          1. By Anonymous Coward (89.112.2.176) on

            > > Why should I buy a sparc? x86 is leading (marketshare and co..)...
            >
            > Let me guess, you only run Windows and only eat at McDonald's

            You don't understand it.
            That's the thing you might wanna tell the SUN people in a way they understand.

            It was not ment to be my own oppinion. But companies with have a marketshare kinda near zero compared to the global market may should be more cooperative.

        3. By Ian McWilliam (202.7.166.164) on


          >
          > Why should I buy a sparc? x86 is leading (marketshare and co..)...
          > But if I would be aware of such ignoring point of view, from SUNs point of view, I could consider to not buy SPARC and SPARC finaly dies some day.
          >

          I been hoping x86 would die some day but an old obsolete architecture keeps being bought back to life.

          Hardware diversity was good (just like software diversity is), (operative word 'was') not now as most of the other architectures are being killed off. Unfortunately the ideas and methods from other hardware platforms can no longer be shared, the same way software is. Will will eventually be left with one and only one hardware architecture at some point in the future. What a sad day that will be when it arrives.

          Oh and your leading 'marketshare' architecture has at some point in it's lifetime taken from that hardware diversity that existed.

          Comments
          1. By Anonymous Coward (89.112.2.176) on

            >
            > >
            > > Why should I buy a sparc? x86 is leading (marketshare and co..)...
            > > But if I would be aware of such ignoring point of view, from SUNs point of view, I could consider to not buy SPARC and SPARC finaly dies some day.
            > >
            >
            > I been hoping x86 would die some day but an old obsolete architecture keeps being bought back to life.
            >
            > Hardware diversity was good (just like software diversity is), (operative word 'was') not now as most of the other architectures are being killed off. Unfortunately the ideas and methods from other hardware platforms can no longer be shared, the same way software is. Will will eventually be left with one and only one hardware architecture at some point in the future. What a sad day that will be when it arrives.
            >
            > Oh and your leading 'marketshare' architecture has at some point in it's lifetime taken from that hardware diversity that existed.

            You did not understand my point of view. You've to talk and thing strategical. Of course I can e-Mail SUN, INTEL and co but they wont listen.But if I do have arguments they think are in any point at least a littlebit logical they will get forced to coopperate.

            That's how it was ment. So please think more strategical if such comments get made related to such a topic.

        4. By Tim (tim) on

          > OpenBSD always was good if it deals to make the public aware of such issues (aka "blame" the vendors for not supporting the project with something wich cost nothing (like a single sparc station)).
          >
          > But it is easier to ask for donations. I angree.
          > I would like to read the mails that OpenBSD askes the vendors and posts the mails later in a storry to make users aware of this.
          >
          > Why should I buy a sparc? x86 is leading (marketshare and co..)...
          > But if I would be aware of such ignoring point of view, from SUNs point of view, I could consider to not buy SPARC and SPARC finaly dies some day.
          >
          > As long as OpenBSD "just runs" on it and it looks like SUN did a shitload to make that happen it wont help the project.
          >
          > You can always ask for donations and I am the last who would deny this right. But if you got "bad" replies by the vendor you would have a far stronger argument.
          >
          > + YOu could public this on a website (wich gets indexed by google.. and read by many.. except of those visiting this website).
          >
          > Why not writing down all critism to a website and call it f.e. "Bad vendor experience" and link it to the mainpage?
          >
          > It would just include facts. Things wich get not done or prevented because of.. facts.. and then you simply post the mails there.
          >
          > That's how I may would do it. It would raise the pressure to vendors supporting what "I WANT" (as potential customer).
          > And a single Workstation donated to OpenBSD wont bring SUN in financial trouble. Even Apple donated a PPC to Linus.. so why shouldn't such things happen related to OpenBSD as well if there's an argument wich leads to a reconsideration of a f.e. company policy?


          Why should the developers have to deal with a vendor for these things? If you feel so strongly about it then YOU go talk to them. In the meantime the easiest way for this isp development to happen is just to get krw what he needs. If you can't help then that's fine, but making empty suggestions for other projects that may or may not benefit is not helping anyone. I'm looking forward to seeing your "Bad vendor experience" website.

  2. By Renaud Allard (renaud) renaud@llorien.org on

    Are some Sun Blade 1000/2000 controllers not supported or all Blade 1000/2000 controllers?
    Has the donated blade 1000/2000 have to have to special hardware, and if yes, could you explain how to recognize it? I mean if someone was to search for a blade to donate, it could be great for him to know if the model he buys out of ebay is one of the wanted ones or not. I have seen some cheap one on ebay, but I would prefer to know if it is one that has the particular controller before bidding.

  3. By Anonymous Coward (76.169.224.194) on

    Yeah it's off topic, but I'm curious as to what happened
    to the itanium box that was going to be donated to dlg?

    Did the project ever get it?

    Good luck.

Latest Articles

Credits

Copyright © - Daniel Hartmeier. All rights reserved. Articles and comments are copyright their respective authors, submission implies license to publish on this web site. Contents of the archive prior to as well as images and HTML templates were copied from the fabulous original deadly.org with Jose's and Jim's kind permission. This journal runs as CGI with httpd(8) on OpenBSD, the source code is BSD licensed. undeadly \Un*dead"ly\, a. Not subject to death; immortal. [Obs.]