Contributed by jose on from the give-theo-an-award dept.
"The FSF and the GNU project request nominations for the 2003 FSF Award for the Advancement of Free Software. We want to give this award to a person who has made a great contribution to the progress and development of Free Software (free as in freedom as defined in the Free Software Definition), through activities that accord with the spirit of software freedom.
"Any kind of activity could be eligible -- writing software, writing documentation, publishing CDs, even journalism -- but whatever the activity, we want to recognize long-term central contributions to the development of the world of software freedom. "Accord with the spirit" means, for example, that software, manuals or collections of them (online or on CD) must be entirely Free. Work done commercially is eligible, but we give this award to individuals, not to companies, organizations, or teams.
"Please send your nominations to
"Verbatim copying and distribution of this entire article is permitted in any medium, provided this notice is preserved."
I will personally nominate Theo de Raadt for relentlessly ousting software with bad licenses from OpenBSD, no compromises, allowing anyone to do anything to OpenBSD."
"Copyright (C) 2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111, USA
That sounds like a good idea, actually ...
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By Christopher () on
http://www.gnu.org/award/2002/2002.html
By pete g () on
"sounds like a good idea, he has my vote"
no, he doesn't; sorry, but you're not on the panel.
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By Jim () on
There has been a lot of aggression shared through this portal lately, and I (for one) find it terribly disturbing. I do not believe that everyone should think alike or blindly agree, however constructive criticism is infinitely better than childish remarks like the one from "bob".
I plead with the community of OpenBSD users who read and post to this forum to start acting like adults and treat people with respect, even if you disagree with them.
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By Oliver Neubauer () on
However, I find another trend even more disturbing. Let's not forget a bit of depressingly passe idealism here: the Internet is (okay, should/could have been) about free speech. Yeah, I know that's naive and I know that statements like that were a Usenet staple of wonderful naivete from the beginning blahblah...
...but how many of you felt cheated when the comments here were turned off recently? I know I did.
How many other forums have been castrated by policy meant to stop idiots? How many of those still have idiots, regardless?
I say: let the morons spout. The analogy in the comments moratorium announcement made mention of wine and sewage, and it was accurate, in a limited sense. But realize the truth: there can be no "wine" on any forum on the Internet. There are too many idiots out there. Get over it, already.
I would suggest another analogy: The internet is a vast polluted ocean with hidden treasures amidst the flotsam and corporate oil slicks. It helps transport humanity by the very nature of it's existence to otherwise inaccessible places despite the fact that it's a horrible, stinking mess. Its successful navigators are those who avoid its inevitable and prolific hazards, not stand by them shouting "Awww, look at this crap!", or worse, those who make policy such that portions are off-limits to protect others and themselves from wading through it every day.
Okay, mine falls apart too, but I think you get the point. :)
And ultimately, like bob and yourself, this is just my $0.02...I mean, I agree with you, but lighten up.
By bob () on
You and I share more in opinion than you will likely believe. I made two mistakes in the manner I posted earlier. Firstly, I assumed that the type of comments I read here are a good representation of most visitors here. I held this opinion because the article texts seemed only moderately more considerate than the postings. Secondly I spoke too quickly without thought of phrasing my opinions to be more effective.
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By Niels () on
Secondly, 'another person's parade' may well be a very respectable parade, but if the parade has a policy on the way it is shared (or not) with others, which conflicts with the policy of the city (OpenBSD) it is held at, then there is a problem. Some cities might go for the tourists and bent the policy a bit, while others remain more principle on this matter and ban the parade from the city.
Bottomline, this is not a discussion on parades, but rather on policies and principles.
I for one prefer principles, but then again that just might be the reason why I live in this city;)
If you want parades you might want to move.
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By bob () on
I arrived at this conclusion after reading numerous threads on this site. The last portage one through me off the top because I found not only the posters to be bigoted but the articles text seem to have a pretty negative bent.
I am really proud of any effort to maintain high quality software. OpenBSD is great because it is one of the few projects that use software engineering methodologies (wether they are willing to admit it or not). I also like the fact that OpenBSD is more cohesive since it's created by a tight group of people. The eletist attitude is what annoys me, especially when it comes from people who obvious have little to do with OpenBSD's creation.
The whole point as to wether or not Theo should be a recommended candidate is absolute moot. The Free Software Foundation has an agenda! I don't agree with their agenda; yet I at least respect it enough to recognize that promoting someone who is in opposition to them at their own event is very poor taste.
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By Anonymous Coward () on
First of all you made it clear that your problem is with the persons posting on this forum, not with OpenBSD. Secondly your problem is that these persons are part of the OpenBSD community. Apparently your answer is to come up with a definition of a community being people that create OpenBSD, i.e. provide sourcecode, excluding as you call them 'zealots' "that have little to do with OpenBSD's creation". Now I have no intention to go argue on definitions, and I have no problem being excluded from the OpenBSD community in this manner, but I do think that a lot of people will have a different view on what makes a 'community'. So don't be suprised to keep finding non-coding zealots here. Personally I try to give back by providing some help if I can on the comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc newsgroup and personally I regard the people there, among which also a lot of non-coding people, a part of the OpenBSD community aswell.
Thirdly, being accused of 'eletist attitude' puzzles me, because I couldn't find any remark in my posting indicating 'better', 'superior', 'elite' or anything else supporting this statement. I did say I liked the 'city', i.e. OpenBSD, but what is eletistic about that?
Finally the impression I'm getting from your posts is that you get annoid easily. Calling a nomination of Theo for the 2003 FSF award a matter of poor taste is beyond me. Sure there are different opinions, sure Theo isn't a likely winner, but come on, how much harm is done with a nomination? To me it's just some people making clear they appreciate the work and principles of Theo and although the FSF doesn't share these principles and even had arguments with Theo (or maybe the other way around) I don't think that they will, or at least should, be distressed by people showing their appreciation for the efforts someone made to establish and share free software. Especially not so when the award inclusion criteria are as broad as they are.
My 2c: cheer up and keep posting.
However, if getting annoid is inevitable I restate my opening question of my first posting: Why are you here?
In this case don't agonize yourself and everyone else here.
Niels
By Ray () on
Now, this other person's parade is not limited to those who are GNU supporters or whatever. They are requesting for people with "long-term central contributions to the development of the world of software freedom." How does Theo not fit the bill?
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Please research some more...
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Theo has posed many times a list of 30-some packages that the team has gotten license clarification for.
This is what he should be nominated for.
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btw.. where did he get this fuckin name from? (no offense intended!)
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After all, Theo was one of the three finalists for _last year's_ award....
By Brian Hershey () brian at socketsentry dot net on mailto:brian at socketsentry dot net
(complete with JDK)
I'm glad Theo's staunch stance on non-free software in the ports tree quarantees no subpoenas from the likes of SCO...
MORAL:just because you want it, doesn't mean it's good for you.
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By mirabile () mirabile@bsdcow.net on https://MirBSD.BSDadvocacy.org:8890/
Theo de Raadt last year.
They didn't even _bother_ to answer.
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By Brian Hershey () brian at socketsentry dot net on mailto:brian at socketsentry dot net
(I don't think there's anybody back there...)
;(
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By pete g () on
"I voted yesterday. Not even an autoresponder reply...."
you can't vote; the decision is made by a panel, not by a popular vote. all you can do is nominate someone. once they're nominated, futher nominations are redundant.
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By brian () on
I sincerely apologize.
I shall now go flog myself. (repeatedly)
:)
By Chutzpah () chutzpah@videotron.ca on mailto:chutzpah@videotron.ca
(I am not taking sides here, I'm just pointing out that the FSF will not be giving any OpenBSD, or any other *BSD developers awards anytime soon).
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By morsello () morsello@tecno21.com.br on mailto:morsello@tecno21.com.br
Theo was a finalist last year: 2003 awards .
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His only problem with it is that is that derivitive works can be non-free.